
Traveller-digest      Friday, October 29 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 1274



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: How many contacts to span the Imperium?
RE: contact separation
Re: triste dia
Re: contact separation
RE: triste dia
Re: [TCS] Questions
RE: triste dia
Re: triste dia
RE: triste dia
humor
Re: 3D Art
Re: 3D Art
Re: Traveller: Aberrant jump drives
[OT] One Day Of Peace
Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace
Re:TML Members as resources
RE: [OT] One Day Of Peace
Re: humor
Re: How many contacts to span the Imperium?

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:17:11 -0400
From: Ethan Henry <egh@klg.com>
Subject: Re: How many contacts to span the Imperium?

"Robert Eaglestone" <eaglesto@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
> So, a world with billions of people has a separation of
> 
> Log( 9 - 3 ) = 6.

Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. http://agiftcat.com/ronnie/baconpage.html

> And an Empire of 10 trillion people has a separation of
> 
> Log( 13 - 3 ) = 10.
> 
> What an incredibly low number.  Must be wrong.

It's tempting to say the same thing about the value of 6 for current 
day  Earth, but it does assume a few things. The biggest assumption
is that the level of contact can be very, very short and/or 
distant. For example, how many levels of contact between me and the
former president of Indonesia? Well, the President of the University
of Waterloo, who gave me my hood at convocation has probably either
met the Primer Minister of Canada or someone who has met the PM and
the PM had met the former Pres of Indonesia, so voila. The second 
assumption is that 6 is kind of an average, where you have a huge
number of people you can daw lines with lengths less than 6, so the
occasional line of 7 or 8 is considered acceptable.

On most Imperial worlds the game will be "how do I draw a line from
me to the Duke" at which point the Duke will have probably met the 
Emperor (at least seen him in person in court once) and then back
through some other Duke to whoever else you want to connect to.
10 steps is probably doable most of the time. I doubt you'd ever need
to go over 15 for two Imperial residents who are both really, really 
isolated.
- --
Ethan Henry                                        egh@klg.com
Java Evangelist, KL Group                   http://www.klg.com
             "Software Development Productivity"

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:34:46 -0400
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca>
Subject: RE: contact separation

Robert Eaglestone writes:
>I've forgotten what you call it, but an earlier posted commented
>about the "5 links" of people by which a person is separated from
>another person in the US.  That is, any two people are separated
>from acquaintence by 5 contact.  Or some such thing.
>Okay, is that logarithmic?  Let's play with the Imperium!
>ASSUME: the U.S. is Order of magnitude( 100,000,000 ),
>and has a contact separation of 5.  Whack 4 zeros off of the
>population, and you have the exponent 10^5.  Log(10^5)=5,
>or
>Log( pop digit - 3 ) = separation.
>So, a world with billions of people has a separation of
>Log( 9 - 3 ) = 6.
>And an Empire of 10 trillion people has a separation of
>Log( 13 - 3 ) = 10.
>What an incredibly low number.  Must be wrong.

	Even more wrong if you go the other way:

		Log(2-3) = undefined

	You could try Log(base 100):

		Log100(250 million) = 4.2 (pretty close)

		Log100(1000) = 1.5 (not too bad)

		Log100(10 trillion) = 6.5 (even worse than 10)

	So maybe it's not logarithmic.

Peez

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:38:26 -0500
From: Shimmergloom <shimmer@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: triste dia

Oh, yea.  I know Jesus is a common name in spain.  I just replied before I
thought.  (Hangs head in shame.)

jesus wrote:

> > poem. From the name of the sender
>
> In Spain, Jess is a common first name.
>
> > I thought maybe it was some conservative xtian harassing us.
> I never wanted to seem a conservative xtian.
>
> > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:10:46 -0500
> > From: Shimmergloom <shimmer@mhtc.net>
> > Subject: Re: triste dia
> >
> > Well Jesus. Is it just bullets or is it Bullets of Paper, Bullets of
> > Rifles?
>
> Bullets of Rifles. Rafael Alberti was a poet of the generation of the 27,
> poetic movement prior to the Spanish Civil War, he was affiliated to the
> Communist Party, and he had to exile from Spain during forty years. With
> Lorca, he is considered the best spanish poet of this century. In the poem
> he feels so enraged that he lament that the words are not sufficient.
>
> A try for an ObTrav:
> Famous poets of the Imperium?, Influence of poets and writers in the
> Imperial culture?, What would be the support of the Imperial Authorities to
> exiled Solomani poets? (Poets who criticised the idea of Solomani
> superiority)
>
> And once more, sorry for the mistake.
> Now, I return to the lurker mode
> -Jesus

- --
- ----------------------------------------------
he he he he he he he he he he he he

      Shimmer

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:47:27 -0500
From: Shimmergloom <shimmer@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: contact separation

Well, i feel like an idiot now.

Ian Ferguson wrote:

> Robert Eaglestone writes:
> >I've forgotten what you call it, but an earlier posted commented
> >about the "5 links" of people by which a person is separated from
> >another person in the US.  That is, any two people are separated
> >from acquaintence by 5 contact.  Or some such thing.
> >Okay, is that logarithmic?  Let's play with the Imperium!
> >ASSUME: the U.S. is Order of magnitude( 100,000,000 ),
> >and has a contact separation of 5.  Whack 4 zeros off of the
> >population, and you have the exponent 10^5.  Log(10^5)=5,
> >or
> >Log( pop digit - 3 ) = separation.
> >So, a world with billions of people has a separation of
> >Log( 9 - 3 ) = 6.
> >And an Empire of 10 trillion people has a separation of
> >Log( 13 - 3 ) = 10.
> >What an incredibly low number.  Must be wrong.
>
>         Even more wrong if you go the other way:
>
>                 Log(2-3) = undefined
>
>         You could try Log(base 100):
>
>                 Log100(250 million) = 4.2 (pretty close)
>
>                 Log100(1000) = 1.5 (not too bad)
>
>                 Log100(10 trillion) = 6.5 (even worse than 10)
>
>         So maybe it's not logarithmic.
>
> Peez

- --
- ----------------------------------------------
he he he he he he he he he he he he

      Shimmer

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:06:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com>
Subject: RE: triste dia

On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, jesus wrote:

> Bullets of Rifles. Rafael Alberti was a poet of the generation of the 27,
> poetic movement prior to the Spanish Civil War, he was affiliated to the
> Communist Party, and he had to exile from Spain during forty years. With
> Lorca, he is considered the best spanish poet of this century. In the poem
> he feels so enraged that he lament that the words are not sufficient.
> 
I would have liked it more if I could have understood it.  I remember just
enough Spanish from school (the only language other than English that I am
any good at is Japanese, though I can still read some French if I try)
that I could get a sense of it and get a sense that it was really good and
that I was missing a lot.

I have known that feeling, though it wasn't from politics, it was from
love.  It's so hard.

So are you on this list all the time, just lurking, and accidentally sent
this to the list when you were sending to all your friends?  I don't
recall you have posted before.

Well, I did like the poem and I kept it, so don't feel too bad.

> A try for an ObTrav:
> Famous poets of the Imperium?, Influence of poets and writers in the
> Imperial culture?, What would be the support of the Imperial Authorities to
> exiled Solomani poets? (Poets who criticised the idea of Solomani
> superiority)
> 
Oooooooh, that's a good idea!  I love political plot lines for games!  It
could be you could have a poet in trouble could be the patron, or maybe to
rescue a Zhodani poet/writer is your job, either so that s/he can escape a
fate worse than death or s/he can help the cause of peace or whatever...

> And once more, sorry for the mistake.
> Now, I return to the lurker mode
> -Jesus
> 
Jesus-san, daijoubu desu yo!  (It's OK, Jesus...  ^_^)

Kiri

******************************************************************************
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God
tiamat@tsoft.com

"If time passes, everything turns into beauty
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
Everything starts wearing fresh colors
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN 

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:18:03
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [TCS] Questions

At 12:18 AM 10/29/1999 +0100, you wrote:

>>How many Marines does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
>
>You don't screw with Marines <g>

"Marines don't deal with that %!@#!!, Whadaya think the Navy does?  We
secure the area so the vaccheads can work in peace and quiet, wouldn't want
the little dears to get upset, would we?"
	- Command Master Fleet Sergeant Eneri Taalentin, Deneb Fleet HQ.
- -- 

Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html

We all enter the world in the same way: naked, screaming, soaked in blood.
But if you live your life right, that kind of thing doesn't have to stop
there.  
- -- Dana Gould 

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:25:09
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: triste dia

At 03:55 PM 10/29/1999 +0200, you wrote:

>A try for an ObTrav:
>Famous poets of the Imperium?, Influence of poets and writers in the
>Imperial culture?, What would be the support of the Imperial Authorities to
>exiled Solomani poets? (Poets who criticised the idea of Solomani
>superiority)

Those exiled poets would probably be the toast of Rim culture.  Anything to
make the Solomani look bad.  Of course, solSec wouldn't approve.

Scenario: A prominent Solomani writer has jumped the line, and is now
touring the Imperial sections of the Rim, giving speeches and readings.
The characters are assigned/hired to escort him.  Possible problems:

1. On a world with strong pro-Solomani feelings, his remarks spark a riot.
2. The writer has some.. interesting tastes in entertainment, which he will
do anything to fulfil.
3. At least once during the tour, SolSec will try to kidnap the writer.

A very good ObTrav.
- -- 

Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:35:44 -0500
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net>
Subject: Re: triste dia

"Douglas E. Berry" wrote:
> 
> At 03:55 PM 10/29/1999 +0200, you wrote:
> 
> >A try for an ObTrav:
> >Famous poets of the Imperium?, Influence of poets and writers in the
> >Imperial culture?, What would be the support of the Imperial Authorities to
> >exiled Solomani poets? (Poets who criticised the idea of Solomani
> >superiority)
> 
> Those exiled poets would probably be the toast of Rim culture.  Anything to
> make the Solomani look bad.  Of course, solSec wouldn't approve.
> 
> Scenario: A prominent Solomani writer has jumped the line, and is now
> touring the Imperial sections of the Rim, giving speeches and readings.
> The characters are assigned/hired to escort him.  Possible problems:
> 
> 1. On a world with strong pro-Solomani feelings, his remarks spark a riot.
> 2. The writer has some.. interesting tastes in entertainment, which he will
> do anything to fulfil.
> 3. At least once during the tour, SolSec will try to kidnap the writer.

4.  One of the PCs either is a SolSec agent him/her/itself, or is
approached by SolSec to allow mischief.

- -- 
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:38:55 -0400
From: Rob Brady <robb@datatone.com>
Subject: RE: triste dia

At 09:06 AM 10/29/99 -0700, Kiri wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, jesus wrote:
>
> > A try for an ObTrav:
> > Famous poets of the Imperium?, Influence of poets and writers in the
> > Imperial culture?, What would be the support of the Imperial Authorities to
> > exiled Solomani poets? (Poets who criticised the idea of Solomani
> > superiority)
> >
>Oooooooh, that's a good idea!  I love political plot lines for games!  It
>could be you could have a poet in trouble could be the patron, or maybe to
>rescue a Zhodani poet/writer is your job, either so that s/he can escape a
>fate worse than death or s/he can help the cause of peace or whatever...

Poets usually don't have any money, but this reminds me of a movie I saw
once... Hmm... The spaceship is idling on the tarmac of the downport
formerly held by Solomani, but recently overrun by the Imperium. The
formerly incorrigible spaceport saloon keeper (reminds one of Han Solo,
just in it for the money) is now saying the wife (played by Ingrid Bergman)
of the great Solomani poet, Victor Lazlo, "And you never will. But I've
got a job to do, too. And where I'm going you can't follow. What I've got
to do, you can't be any part of. Ilsa, I'm no good at being noble, but it
doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't
amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Some day you'll understand
that. Here's looking at you, kid."


Reminds me of Loren's version of the "Episode 1".

- --
"Glorious, stirring sight!", murmured Toad, never offering to move.
"The poetry of motion! The real way to travel! The only way to
travel! Here to-day -- in the next week to-morrow!"
                         -- Robert Grahame, The Wind in the Willows
Rob Brady		                   robb at datatone dot com

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:46:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com>
Subject: humor

On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, Douglas E. Berry wrote:

> At 12:18 AM 10/29/1999 +0100, you wrote:
> 
> >>How many Marines does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
> >
> >You don't screw with Marines <g>
> 
I have a few female friends who might dispute that, it's one of their
hobbies, LOL.  They tell me that Marines have endurance...

> "Marines don't deal with that %!@#!!, Whadaya think the Navy does?  We
> secure the area so the vaccheads can work in peace and quiet, wouldn't want
> the little dears to get upset, would we?"
> 	- Command Master Fleet Sergeant Eneri Taalentin, Deneb Fleet HQ.
> -- 
ROTFLMFAO!!!

> We all enter the world in the same way: naked, screaming, soaked in blood.
> But if you live your life right, that kind of thing doesn't have to stop
> there.  
> -- Dana Gould 
> 
Doug, what's this from?

Kiri

******************************************************************************
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God
tiamat@tsoft.com

"If time passes, everything turns into beauty
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
Everything starts wearing fresh colors
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN 

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:04:49 -0700
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: 3D Art

A handy program to have is 3DWin

http://www.stmuc.com/thbaier/

That will convert among a large number of different formats. The web
site is insanely slow right now, though...

Jesse DeGraff wrote:
> 
> Those are the native object & scene files respectively for Lightwave.  In
> addition to Lightwave, I know trueSpace will import .lwo object at a
> minimum, and maybe the .lws scene file.  Can't remember as it was quite
> awhile ago that I used tS2, and the capabilities may have changed since
> then.  Think it's up to 4+, with 5 on the very near horizon.
> 
> Best,
> Jesse


- -- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:21:34 -0500
From: Shimmergloom <shimmer@mhtc.net>
Subject: Re: 3D Art

Thanks.  I'll check that out.


Bruce Johnson wrote:

> A handy program to have is 3DWin
>
> http://www.stmuc.com/thbaier/
>
> That will convert among a large number of different formats. The web
> site is insanely slow right now, though...
>
> Jesse DeGraff wrote:
> >
> > Those are the native object & scene files respectively for Lightwave.  In
> > addition to Lightwave, I know trueSpace will import .lwo object at a
> > minimum, and maybe the .lws scene file.  Can't remember as it was quite
> > awhile ago that I used tS2, and the capabilities may have changed since
> > then.  Think it's up to 4+, with 5 on the very near horizon.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jesse
>
> --
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group

- --
- ----------------------------------------------
he he he he he he he he he he he he

      Shimmer

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:40:24 -0800
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)
Subject: Re: Traveller: Aberrant jump drives

  Or, When Jump Drives Go Bad:

>From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net>
>Subject: Re: Traveller: Aberrant jump drives (was Re: Just say "no" to lhyd)
...
>One question that comes to mind is: how much power plant output will be
>required, over what period of time, to charge for jump?  After all, the
>HG rule of power plant number equalling or exceeding jump number assumes
>that you are _also_ pouring buckets of LHyd into your jump drive.  FF&S2

  Per HG2, to Jump a ship must supply in two turns energy from at least a
Power Plat of rating equal to the desired Jump rating. Per p. 43 a black
globe allows this step to skipped; however, it would still need sufficient
L-Hyd to Jump, _after_ the energy input requirements are met.

  Which leads us gently into the Nth Excitable Jump Discussion...

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:50:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "Jason Kemp" <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us>
Subject: [OT] One Day Of Peace

Greetings, All,

I hate to interrupt your e-mails and such with such unrelated 
content, but I received this from a friend, and I think it's a worthy 
enough effort that I am contributing to it, and passing this on to 
others whom I hope are of like mind.  Thought you might enjoy hearing 
about this.  At any rate, thank you for your time, my friends.

With Warm Regards,
Jason

===================================

ONE DAY IN PEACE

JANUARY 1st, 2000

This a 24 hour concept where no guns are fired anywhere on earth,
including on television. What if: for 24 hours, whosoever was at war
in December 1999,agrees that for one whole day, no guns would  be
fired. The silence would be golden. What if: the television
programmers of the world agreed NOT to air any programming with a
violent content? What if people boycotted movies with violent
content? At present this ONE DAY IN PEACE concept is beginning to
get further circulation. Can you spread this concept so that a
possibility might become a reality? This is a 'thought-wave
campaign' - that is to say, the more people who grasp this thought,
the more it comes into reality.

ONE DAY IN PEACE, JANUARY lst, 2000 Pass it on!  Lets do it! 

=============================
Jason Kemp, ADS Programmer IV
(512)458-7111 ext. 3375

Internet Address: jason.kemp@tdh.state.tx.us
==============================

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace

Sorry, Jason, but I am opposed to censorship.

I don't believe that censoring the media will make the world a more
peaceful place, and I don't support such efforts, EVER. If this were the
case, then Japan would be more violent than the US (do you ever watch
anime? that stuff is on network TV!) but instead their crime rate is much
lower. Actually I think that these TV programs provide people with a
needed outlet for their emotional energies.

I would love to see the world at peace but there are better ways to do it 
than censoring TV, radio, movies, and books-- and games!

I also don't think that the Traveller list is the best place to promote 
this... I mean, what's next, don't play Traveller on the One Day of Peace
because Traveller has fighting in it?  Hel-lo?

Kiri

On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, Jason Kemp wrote:

> ONE DAY IN PEACE
> JANUARY 1st, 2000
> 
> This a 24 hour concept where no guns are fired anywhere on earth,
> including on television. What if: for 24 hours, whosoever was at war
> in December 1999,agrees that for one whole day, no guns would  be
> fired. The silence would be golden. What if: the television
> programmers of the world agreed NOT to air any programming with a
> violent content? What if people boycotted movies with violent
> content? At present this ONE DAY IN PEACE concept is beginning to
> get further circulation. Can you spread this concept so that a
> possibility might become a reality? This is a 'thought-wave
> campaign' - that is to say, the more people who grasp this thought,
> the more it comes into reality.

******************************************************************************
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God
tiamat@tsoft.com

"If time passes, everything turns into beauty
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
Everything starts wearing fresh colors
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN 

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:13:44 -0400
From: "DaveShayne" <daveshayne@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re:TML Members as resources

Here I am in all my glory

854996

Admin-1, Streetwise-1, Computer-1, Jack-O-T-1,
Bow combat-0

just 34 so i'm waiting on the results of my first ageing rolls. Born into a
nice professional class family I'm quickly attaining the status of white
trash. I don't drive or shoot or any of that. the bow-0 comes more from a
conviction that any charecter needs some weapon skill. And I've actually
shot a bow and arrow and hit the target more often than not. though not
admittedly lately.

My primary survival skills are based on being a mostly likable guy who
doesn't go out of his way to annoy people.

I based the Int score on 7=IQ 100 and F=IQ 200
if you rate IQ 200 as C run the int down to 8.

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:05:10 -0500
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] One Day Of Peace

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Kemp [mailto:Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us]
 
> ONE DAY IN PEACE
> 
> JANUARY 1st, 2000
> 
> This a 24 hour concept where no guns are fired anywhere on earth,
> including on television. 

Does this include target practice?  If so, count me out. 1Jan is one of my
few days off.  

vargr1                                                   UPP-8D9B85
- ---------------------------- Omnia dicta fortiora, si dicta latina.
Meyers-Briggs personality type: ENTJ                vargr1@jcn1*com
"...the ENTJ is not one to be trifled with."      dmoody@bridge*com

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:44:10
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: humor

At 09:46 AM 10/29/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, Douglas E. Berry wrote:

>> We all enter the world in the same way: naked, screaming, soaked in blood.
>> But if you live your life right, that kind of thing doesn't have to stop
>> there.  
>> -- Dana Gould 
>> 
>Doug, what's this from?

I'll have to ask my wife, she sent me the quote.
- -- 

Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:15:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com>
Subject: Re: How many contacts to span the Imperium?

On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, Ethan Henry wrote:

> "Robert Eaglestone" <eaglesto@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
> > So, a world with billions of people has a separation of
> > 
> > Log( 9 - 3 ) = 6.
> 
> Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. http://agiftcat.com/ronnie/baconpage.html
> 
> > And an Empire of 10 trillion people has a separation of
> > 
> > Log( 13 - 3 ) = 10.
> > 
> > What an incredibly low number.  Must be wrong.
> 
> It's tempting to say the same thing about the value of 6 for current 
> day  Earth, but it does assume a few things. The biggest assumption
> is that the level of contact can be very, very short and/or 
> distant. For example, how many levels of contact between me and the
> former president of Indonesia? Well, the President of the University
> of Waterloo, who gave me my hood at convocation has probably either
> met the Primer Minister of Canada or someone who has met the PM and
> the PM had met the former Pres of Indonesia, so voila. The second 
> assumption is that 6 is kind of an average, where you have a huge
> number of people you can daw lines with lengths less than 6, so the
> occasional line of 7 or 8 is considered acceptable.
> 
You know, though, most lines are a lot SHORTER than you think.

Example.

My all time favorite musician, Ozaki Yutaka, the Elvis of Japan who died
in 1992 and whose funeral was attended by 10,000...

I am one of the few, the proud, the obsessed.  I also have a line of only
*2* between me and Ozaki.  My best female friend, Junko, has a very close
friend who attended the same private high school as Ozaki in Shibuya
during the early 80's, and remembers him well.  And those aren't
handshakes.  This is pretty good considering that I was raised in West
Virginia and didn't even get to California till 95, Japan a couple years
later....  When Junko told me this, I was bowled over.  13 is easy for me
to believe of the Imperium.

Kiri

******************************************************************************
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God
tiamat@tsoft.com

"If time passes, everything turns into beauty
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
Everything starts wearing fresh colors
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN 

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